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Response 5 (to C3 by R1 by Müller)


ACCESS TO CONSCIOUSNESS
by Peter Beamish
20 November 2008, posted 29 November 2008

 

 
[from C3, Müller]
<1> [Here are my] -following replies to Peter - and Serge - Concerning -
points of disagreement, I see some things a bit differently as follows -

"[2] Subjective reality is an aspect of all reality, but this is denied
in the metaphysical (exclusively-objective) view.

<2> [3 and 11] 'Mind' is largely communal, via language, empathy, etc.
Thus 'other minds' are, or can become, in principle also mine. No
reality can be in no mind, or mind-independent, including in science.
[5] Mind is not a thing and cannot become one; that is, subjects cannot
become objects.

<3> [7-9] Your 'MVP' and 'MTP' seem to be some kind of mental structure;
as such they would be within the encompassing mind, as you agree - [12].
[13] Life is in mind, like all mental structures; though objectively
(i.e., metaphysically) it is said to be the inverse."

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<1> and [2]: Yes indeed, subjective reality is an aspect of all reality,
but some conclusions can exist as BOTH subjective AND objective reality.
For example: If one's mind (subjective reality) concludes that it is now
daytime, then others nearby (objective reality) should also conclude the
same concept, and the weather logbooks would forever indicate a daytime!
Thus what is beyond physics (metaphysics) can simultaneously be science.
Similarly, as said, concepts can be both subjective & objective reality.

<2> [3 & 11]: "Minds," as defined * can be overlapping but not communal.
Language is "Signal Based Communication, SBC" and is the "projection" of
signals (words et al.) from one mind to another mind where each separate
"Mental Thought Process, MTP" must receive, analyze, & then react. If no
mental analysis or reaction occurs, then no "SBC" occurs, & IT IS NOISE.
A "foundation" of empathy is "Rhythm Based Communication, RBC," and such
follows the above "communication guideline" & requires rhythmic empathy.
This newly defined "rhythmic empathy" (which necessarily involves a form
of "rhythmic synchronization") now seems to be a foundation of emotions.
No other minds can become your mind as no other "MTP" can be your "MTP."
[We don't understand your double -ve: "No reality can be in no mind -."]
Science by definition is composed of what many consider a "now reality."
[5] "Mind" is a dynamic volume, as defined *, and a volume is "a thing."
Finally: Certainly an "I subject" can become for others, a "You object."

<3> [7-9]: YES! Mental vectors & mental thoughts are mental structures.*
Yes! There is "life" in a mind. AND a mind ("Essos") is IN ALL OF LIFE!*

* For a "Definition of Mind" <http://www.egroups.com/message/time/13743>

2 page glossary is @ http://www.animalcontact.com/research/glossary.html
1 pg. side précises http://www.animalcontact.com/research/abstracts.html
Sincerely, 'peter' c. beamish, ph.d., director, "CETA-Research," Canada.

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